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55-0: ...5/5...

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Author zoasBE
Tags author:zoasbe rated uap
Created 2012-09-22
Last Modified 2012-09-22
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by 19 people.
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Description Twenty-Sixth Bean,
A Tribute Map to Xerces. ;)

Other maps by this author

Thumbnail of the map '53-4: Somewhere' Thumbnail of the map '54-0: Franks' Thumbnail of the map '54-1: Herbert The Pervert' Thumbnail of the map '54-2: Sa'eed' Thumbnail of the map '54-3: Legend Of The Black Shawarma' Thumbnail of the map '54-4: Smashing The Opponent'
53-4: Somewhere 54-0: Franks 54-1: Herbert The Pervert 54-2: Sa'eed 54-3: Legend Of The Black Shawarma 54-4: Smashing The Opponent

Comments

Anyways, not what I expected from the thumbnail. Nice minimap.
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Although your stubbornness has made it incredibly difficult for me to believe you truly understand what I've been trying to say, and your claims that some of the things I've said aren't true are really doing you no favours whatsoever, I assure you. I agree though, let's just sign this peace treaty here and put this incident behind us. :)

Apologies again zoas, I would post another demo but I can't improve my speedrun.. :P

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...ive realized that this "debate" haha has become consuming, ive been going to this map right when i log on instead of playing the other mappers maps and thats not fair for them they deserve the 5/5's i will no doubt be handing out like hotcakes...

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...im sorry OJ i just want this to stop ive been reckless with my "fool" usage and it needs to stop, im bummed we got into it like this and im not going to take all the blame but i had a part in it obviously- so defend yourself if you feel you must one last time cuz i cant erase that last comment but im done with this and im going to be playing youre maps now because they are great and maybe you will play/comment/feedback some of mine and i promise not to get all defensive if you do(unless you come at me reckless again) :P let us have peace and friendship im sorry...

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...AHH i see now it was a "typo" bullshit...

...1 & 2. you have been saying shit about me and you admit you inferred it which obviously means that you implied it, so youre wrong trying to say that you have not been saying shit about me...

...3. there is no way that was a typo just like when i said right meow wasnt a typo because i meant to type that have you ever seen super troopers jeez...

...4. you just seem like an admin the way youre first comment advised me how to feedback, i know now that you are not and just want to advise people apparently...

...5. you did largely concede to me in your last post as you should have, because you said foolish things that you realized thus conceding-and there is hardly a big difference between quasi and semi i just think that using quasi how you did is an effort to sound linguistic so i used a different word...

...i actually do read youre posts and you are a fool for thinking i dont when its obvious i am because thats exactly whats pissing me off-and as for not getting what you are trying to say to me, its hard because everything you have said is either something ive already stated or a sneak diss...

...im done now i have just went over all your last "points" and i dont expect you to understand or concede to my statements again...
I do want to clarify that I hold nothing personal against you. I appreciate your mapping skills and opinions, but I do want to make sure that I put across the tone of what I'm saying in the best way.

*sigh*

Pretty much everything you wrote there reeks of hypocrisy.
1. I haven't been saying shit about you. I never BEGAN by saying shit about you. And if I have, by any chance, it was not meant as an attack.
2. Yes, I inferred. Boo hoo. But there's nothing we can do about that now though, is there? It's completely redundant.
3. I confess the 'However it does not' thing was a typo on my behalf. But what I said was true, whether you believe it or not. What makes me laugh is your hypocrisy in pointing out my typo when you've just said things like 'just stop this right meow' and mistyping 'quasi-childish' as 'semi-childish' for the entire 4th paragraph.
4. I'm not an admin.
5. You are being childish about this, and your post is teeming with examples. You infer that admins always NEED to have the last say in things. 'and that you want to feel superior over me' - well isn't that bullshit. If you've got something you want to say, you're gonna damn well say it, aren't you? I actually largely conceded to you in my post, which you obviously didn't pick up on. 'saying i had a jackass mentality' - DID I say you had a jackass mentality? Did you read what I said properly? I don't think so, to both. 'you fool' is probably the best example we're gonna get.

You appear to be getting angry largely over your own hypocrisy and inferences, you realise. You pick up on my tones of apology, yet you then respond where you undermine me through doing so. You claim that I don't read your posts, but do you really read mine? You just don't seem to be getting what I'm trying to say in the way that I'm trying to say it (and I don't mean that in an attacking way). I'm not argumentative by nature; I don't want to keep this going, I certainly don't want you to think that I'm trying to be superior over you, but the style of your reactions are only prompting me to post more.

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...wow! really? he sure gives out "advise" like he has some power/has been around here longer than I :P lol im sure he will still need the last word though...

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OJ aint an admin or anything.

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...how can you expect me and be surprised that i dont compromise with the shit you have been saying about me? i honestly dont need your advise about feedback and the fact that you come in on this discussion with your first post and say "I know all of what I've just said you've already acknowledged" makes everthing you said redundant anyways and therefore unnecessary.
...and i dont believe you for one second that this "I appreciate that if this map consisted of just the playing area and nothing more, your disappointment would be justified. However it is not"is actually about the map and not the justification of what i said because if it was you would have said "however it does not" and not "However it is not" see the difference there? you would have used "does" instead of "is"(go back read it and then understand where ur wrong with this)...

...so thanks for seeing things from my perspective though because at first you really didnt and you admit that and thats what pisses me off(along with the other shit i rightly stated)...

...as for calling me semi childish with the way i deal with situations, i would have to say that no it wasnt semi childish and was more like pissed and letting you know whats up, you fool...

...this needs to be done now period, but im assuming you will have some more redundant/defensive things to say, also ppl in positions of power(admin/whatever your title here on numa is) always seem to NEED the last word...

...why dont you be the bigger man and just stop this right meow by not responding? i can tell you want it to stop and that you want to feel superior over me(calling me quasi-childish,saying i had a jackass mentality,and other bogus things)...

Oh, but there is.

You clearly haven't bothered trying to understand anything I just wrote seriously; if you had you wouldn't have just thrown up all of your previously made comments, yet again. I've come to see things from your point of view, and I attempted to make you see things clearly from mine, but you've obviously refused to do so and frankly, that's your problem, not mine. Your unwillingness to compromise genuinely surprises me. Did you really think that just saying 'bye' at the end of the post would call this to a close?

However, I agree that this should stop. I would apologise again, but in all honesty, I wouldn't know what I'd be apologising for. You have lots of potential, Xerces, and your maps are very good; arguably better and more creative than my own. I only hope you've marked my/your words, and will outgrow the quasi-childish way of dealing with similar situations that you've demonstrated here.

On a brighter note, I never actually said that your opinion was unjustified. 'However it is not' was linked to what I said earlier in the post about if the map consisted of just the playing area - it was nothing about whether or not your opinion was justified.

Now I think everything's been said. Keep up the mapping, man.

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...this is over OJ you said shit that pissed me off and for good reason- and yes i am a "big boy" and i dont need your advise on how to feedback on a map that was DED to me or any map for that matter, no need to respond anymore this is done and i have said(legitimately)everything i NEEDED to say about your responses, bye...

That's a speedrun OJ!!!!! Thanks.
Don't think for a single second, though, that I only 'came on to you' for offering your opinion. That's jackass mentality. People's opinions are one of the foundations that keep NUMA working effectively, so please don't make yourself look silly by jumping to such a conclusion.

In confession, perhaps I was a little unclear in my initial post. Really, I only posted in regard to your calling the map 'kinda lame', which despite you compensating for by saying you liked the tiles, doesn't conceal the fact that you did say it. The point I was trying to get across was that, with this as your DED, constructive criticism would have been far better than a blunt comment like that (as with any map). THAT was what I deemed unreasonable and ungrateful. However, you were having a bad day - I can relate to that so I can understand why you might have said it at such a time. With this in consideration, I can see how I may have been a tad unreasonable with my post, however it didn't altogether justify the ferocity of your retaliation. Hey, everybody's human, huh.

I disagree that everything you said to me was needed or deserved; I was only offering an opinion that you could easily have dismissed, as opposed to analysing everything in it that you didn't agree with. Everything I said was pertinent, and while you might think it ridiuculous, or 'lame', to have to enforce what you said, there's no point in mocking it or any of the other content when it was in fact ultimately intended as harmless advice. Whether you take it or not I couldn't care less, just don't make me out as if I'm some kind of bad guy for doing so.

Never believe, either, that just because you're a 'big boy' you don't need advice, whatever the context might be. I shouldn't have to elaborate on that.

SPEEDYRUN
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...first of all please dont feel like you need to "advise" me on my "kinda lame" opinion, im a big boy okay- then you said this "your disappointment would be justified. However it is not, and while this clearly isn't the most sophisticated DED map ever made, you should appreciate the thought and effort zoas put into it and without any public complaint, even if you do have issues with it. " thus telling me that my dissapointment(opinion) isnt justified?!?! woah i had an opinion lets get on xerces back about that right away!-also if you go back and read my first comment i say twice that i really like what he did here with the tiles, so when you say that i should appreciate the thought and effort put into this it makes me feel like you didnt even read a damn thing i said because seriously go back and read my first comment OJ(it wasnt actually that harsh now that you read it huh???)--then you said "I know all of what I've just said you've already acknowledged, so take it just as enforced food for thought." ...really all of what you said i already acknowledged?? then why would you say it??...??(its kinda like there being no need for the obscene amount of swears i showed off)you felt the need to "enforce" which is lame bro
...so ive done nothing wrong here OJ read my first comment on the map and then honestly tell me that what i said was ungrateful and unreasonable do it...i dont want any beef either but when people come at me like you did i have some words to say(especially on a day when im as pissed as that day)...ill apologize again right here! im sorry but you deserved everything i said to you...

...that being said i use these "..." because i feel like they look good!...

Haha, duuuuude.

If you actually read my post in the right frame of mind, I wasn't attacking you, merely advising you
<with regard to your first post about the map being 'kinda lame'.> <---- IMPORTANT
And if you looked even closer, I actually acknowledged that you had acknowledged and apologised for what you'd said. I wouldn't have posted if I hadn't read the roll-up, so don't go bullshitting about me not having already read the entire discussion. I didn't mean what I said harshly, and through the fact that what I mentioned were practically all points that I knew you had already rectified, there was really no need for the obscene amount of swears you just showed off. However, as you're clearly very offended and angry about my input toward the incident (which has evidently thwarted your rationality in your falsely believing, for example, that I am against criticism to ANY kind of map), I apologise if you felt my post was unreasonable - however, as you say, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Really, if you think about it, I didn't do anything wrong here. I don't want no beef.

Also, seriously man, calm down about the ellipsis thing. I was only asking out of curiosity which I've had for a fair long time; in fact, it doesn't actually bother me in the slightest. And, at the end of the day, you didn't even give me a direct answer.

3/5, by the way. I would, as I'm sure Xerces would too, be interested to see you make something more adventurous out of this tileset.

oh,

I just realized that here is not my signature... LOL!

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...what happened here is i stated my opinion on a map that was made for me, then boom people start getting defensive about what ive said even though i said positive things too ppl didnt acknowledge it...then after the conversation is ended and i apologize OJ comes outta left field saying in my opinion stupid things like i shouldnt say anything negative about this map even if i have issues with it, trying to tell me that my disappointment with this map isnt justified, and that i need to respect the effort zoas put forth-- so what he said is basically you cant say anything wrong about any maps even if they are DED to you,also that what i dislike about this map is invalid(when really its my opinion),and finally that i need to respect this map for more than its playability(which he said him self that he views this map as a N-art and not as playable)and ive said since the beginning that i love the tiles! so he obviously didnt read any of the previous comments because if he did he would have realized that everything he said has already been dealt with...so dont tell me how to think about a map, and dont tell me that what i do think about a map isnt justified or ill get pissed like i did here...

...i had already apologized and he had no right to come in and basically have the last word in a conversation that has nothing to do with him and making me look bad/wrong at the same time...

Please,

Calm guys.

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...if said what i wanted to say, so lets just not respond anymore and quit this "debate" before i get kicked out of this game for being pissed...

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...well outrightOJ idk why you have to come in on this discussion(thats finished) that we were having, you must be a administrator huh? even you "respect" this map more as a N art than a playable map haha,and really even since my first comment on this map ive been grateful for the tiles because they are awesome, but everyone just seems to think im totally hating on this map and wants to let me know just how to think and make sure im thinking how they should. you obviously didnt read any of my previous comments OJ you said that i need to think about future DED's and look at the map as a whole and i have since the beginning said that the tiles are awesome! then you say that my dissapointment would be justified it the map only consisted of the playing area. first of all i get to decide what makes my dissapointment justified -this leads me to believe thatyou must be a admin or have some kinda pull above the normal player-then you say "you should be thankful and not say anything negative about this map even if you have issues with it" and im thinking are you fucking kidding me?! seriously WTF now im not even allowed to have my opinion on a map that is DED to me? wow yall are fools and get super defensive and takes things way to personally-ive left NUMA for years at a time before and this is exactly why...
...and OJ what the fuck does it matter if i use "..."? everyone seems to be upset about how i use them and really it doesnt fucking matter at all...
is that a map doesn't have to have the 'play factor' to have worth as a DED. People in the past have had DEDs in the form of N-Arts that obviously can't be played at all, and in all honesty I respect this map more as an N-Art than as a playable map, as should you. I realise you've apologised for your outbursts but, with potential future DED maps, you really should think more about the other factors that make up the map. I appreciate that if this map consisted of just the playing area and nothing more, your disappointment would be justified. However it is not, and while this clearly isn't the most sophisticated DED map ever made, you should appreciate the thought and effort zoas put into it and without any public complaint, even if you do have issues with it.

I know all of what I've just said you've already acknowledged, so take it just as enforced food for thought. On another note, is there a reason why you use ellipses at the start and end of every paragraph?

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...its whatever man i dont really care, im just letting you know how i honestly feel about it...would you have rather me lie and say sweet! 5/5!!?? seriously would you have rather me lied?...i really do love the tiles because they are awesome and the yin yang means a lot to me in my life...also yesterday i was super pissed off at some shit thats going on and it must have kinda seeped through me into NUMA i usually wouldnt say anything rude at all...

...so idk think what you want to about me ,but i am an honest person and i dont like the gameplay of this map...but as i said the tiles are beastly!...

Forgot to say, bean collected.

Tied AGD

I don't agree with you Xerces. This is not just 3 mines, and a small level. The level is strategically planned, and a 3x3 map can be as creative as a normal map, just check VODKALOVER's series for an example of 100 3x3 maps without running out of interesting ideas, concepts, etc. A ded is a ded man, and I don't think the style of the level represent in any way the respect the author has for you.
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wow guys,,,

I'm sorry I've caused, but I also want to say that this is not three mines, 5 gold, and a exit with its switch. There are three mines, golds and an exit strategically placed out, thought about it and the gameplay. Not to be presumptuous, but gets in my face that you think I have not put effort. Sorry if you felt disrespected by your image "here in NUMA", but you say a lot of that this map could be finished in a second and that's bad, of course, it can be completed in one second... But, how many seconds it takes you to get two runs as Raif? Buddy, This is the concept of the map.
And about the thing that you can make a map of these every 4 seconds, I also would say yes, but try not to run out of ideas and that they all look the same...
Again, I apologize if you felt that this was disrespectful, this reaction truly impresses me, but hey, I'm sorry.

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...i dont want to argue either thats why i didnt bring up anything to argue about just brought up my opinion and to me 3 mines isnt a well thought out map...

...i could litterally make a map like this every 4 minutes, but now my opinion is making me sound ungrateful and like an ass hole and im not okay with that, so i am greatful for the tiles that you made in my honor! i love em actually and im going to use them to create my own map if thats alright...

Xerces

The VODKALOVER series is probably my favourite series ever and many good players liked it, just ebcause the maps are well doesnt mean they aren't well though out or good maps. Don't want to have an arguement but thats just my opinion. And @Raif, after seeing your demos i think i need a bit of practice, improved my SR first try but only by 2 frames :P

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...im an honest person , and no i dont like it honesty is a good thing though and i guess i just feel like when you started making this you were like well this is a DED for Xerces and im not going to put any of my good mapping skillz into this one im just going to get it done and over with.and you do have good mapping skillz ive seen it all the time...

...im sorry i sound so blunt, but its true- you said you thought it would be creative to use that tiny space and i think no matter what space you had used it would have been creative-when you make a DED for someone it kinda shows respect and what you maybe think of them,how they play, and how you would describe them in map form haha...i just dont want to be decribed as a map that takes a second to complete making me feel like my spot here on NUMA is a minor thing...
I just thought that the obvious would be to use the other parts, and I thought it would be creative and good idea to use the space as here. Sorry if you do not agree or do not think at all. But honestly I think it is still a good challenge to get that 84f AGD as you say.

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...well, i like the tiles alot-becuase the yin yang means a lot in my life, but im also disappointed that my tribute map is kinda lame in the sense that an AGD takes 83 frames to complete- i really do appreciate the fact that you made something for me and dont wanna sound like an ungrateful ninja but i really wish you would have at least used the inside of the YIN for a map, even if you didnt use all the open space outside...

...but it must be the thought that counts here...

okay :D

whenever you're ready :D

hello zoas

MOSS?

haha, Raif!!! :D

Nice to see you.. I'm really glad that such things like this happens..
Not an oficial come back, but yes something like appetizer.
Hope the new and challenging Season 2 soon... ;)

Speedrun

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AGD

Long time.
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Harveyy,

You did not know that the VODKALOVER's maps was a project of mine?

AGD

Not a brillient demo, nice map :P
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